(*Portrait
used with permission from Michael Sull�s Spencerian
Script and Ornamental Penmanship, Volume I.)
(Bio
courtesy of Del Tysdal)
CW Norder
(1881-1979)
**The Number cut below is the original
specimen used in the Zanerian Manual (see page 11 of the manual)**
The following was written by Del Tysdal:
In the early 1970's I met Charles W. Norder
in
The following is a letter from C. W. Norder,
1972, to Del Tysdal dated
"Friend Delbert,
I have your letter of the 20th in which you ask me five questions
about Engrossing. To answer them all fully would take
quite a letter, in fact it could take a little book, and I am hardly in shape
to do either today, but I will answer you briefly and I hope that may help you
some. Your question #1 is: What pen did I use for small script, what pen for
medium size script, and what pen for large script?
From my early years I used nothing but Gillott Pens. For small
script that was not for reproduction work, I used #291 or #170. For larger work
to be used for photo-reproduction I used #303 or the Principality. An answer to
your third question will need a separate letter - which I will try to write
later. (This is his autobiography, 17 one-half pages long) Your question #4 is:
In Text lettering (broad pen calligraphy, today) should the distance between
the lines be about the same as the height of the lower case letters or twice
that much? Certainly not just the height of the small
letters. That would not look so good and would make for difficult reading.
Twice the height is better but could vary for several reasons. Answering you
fifth question I would say yes, re-touch your script where necessary but be
sure not to overdo on it. Retouch so carefully that your work will not show
that is has been retouched. Enough for now, I have not been any too well in the
last couple of months but feel a little better today. Best wishes to you.
Sincerely, C. W. N. (Charles W. Norder)
Tysdal: It was a little surprise to me to learn
through your friendly letters that someone could be interested in my life as an
Engrosser and Illuminator since it is so long ago
that I was in that work. (He retired in 1943 and this letter is dated 1972)
And you wanted a thumbnail sketch of my life, and to tell what may
have influenced me mostly to take up pen work as a lifetime work. I will try to
comply with your request as far as I am able, and you may use any part of it or
none of it as you like. I don't consider that my life has been very important
to anybody, except to myself, of course. Fact is, I drifted into pen work quite
naturally, and was fortunately helped by two people who became my friends
because of that work and who I will mention further on.
I was born
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